Parents, Unite! What Happens if a “Mean” Mom Lives With a “Softie” Dad?
First, happy new year. And second, thanks to my Facebook Mean Moms Rule subscribers, who answered my “what should I blog about next/what do you guys want to talk about” post the other day. So many great ideas! I’ve decided to start by addressing this: What happen when you and the adult person you’re raising your kids with aren’t on the same page with issues like discipline? You know, you’re mean, he’s mushy? You make a rule, he scoffs? (Or, of course, vice versa)? Love it! So here goes:
I think I may have said this four million times in the past, but my husband and I are so on the same parenting page. Before we had kids, the realization that my congenital mean-mom streak (thanks, Mom!) and relentless practicality, bred in a baby-makin’ petri dish with my husband’s stern (but, okay, goofy) German genes made us laugh. Our poor kids; they don’t stand a chance!
Now, of course, real kids are different from their theoretical forebears, but still, we were mostly right. We just have the same, or very similar, values when it comes to raising kids. We both prefer the long view to short-term success, which means neither of us is likely to give in to a sweet puppy dog face asking to put off homework or get out of chores or sub candy canes for broccoli, any more than than we’re likely to distractedly and disgustedly buy a stupid toy at Target to quell a brewing tantrum. We got these boys, me and Mean Dad, and we have to turn them into good men.
And sometimes we screw up.
Back in early September, we went to the beach with our friends and their kids, a kind of farewell to the beach on the first weekend after school started. We planned to meet in the late afternoon, and hang out while the sun set and the kids played, then get pizza from a restaurant right on the beach. Perfect.
My children, like many, have a Pavlovian response to going pretty much anywhere where ice cream is available, and of course the beach-side restaurant that serves pizza also sells ice cream. Some time during the evening, our friends told their kids that they wouldn’t be buying ice cream on that particular night, because they’d stopped for a frozen treat earlier that day.
Which is exactly something I would say, in the same circumstance. Thing is, I’d already thought about buying my kids a treat. But in a friend-wide effort to present that coveted united front, I decided against it, and braced for impact.
My husband was on my side.
And the kids, bless their persistent hearts, pushed back, hard. All of them.
And I wavered. I forget the gory details now, and you’d think it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but something happened and the upshot was that I was ready to buy my kids a bomb pop or whatever, but my husband had already leapt ahead of me to take a harder line. Our friends, perhaps feeling bad that their no-ice cream stance had started the whole mess, whispered to me that if I wanted to cave, they would too. I thought about stopping somewhere else for a cone on the way home. I thought, seriously, that the whole thing was ridiculous (like I said, I don’t remember how it spiraled out of control so quickly and spectacularly, but it did).
But here’s one thing I think I did right. My husband and I disagreed, and pretty strongly at one point. And while the children were leaping around and moaning and wailing (seriously — how does that happen? You’d think they were told they’d never have ice cream again, ever), I pulled my man six or eight feet outside the fray, and we battled it out.
And we decided that since I didn’t speak up before he did about my thought that we’d cave on the ‘scream, and since when he did speak up he did so with his Dad Voice (see: German), his stance would remain our stance. I honestly did think — and I told him this — that in this end-of-summer case, getting the ice cream/caving in wouldn’t be that destructive to our usual “because we said so/suck it up” demeanor, but the point is this: Sticking to a united front was more important than winning the point. It got ridiculous, but it was still more useful to show our kids that we weren’t caving to the ridiculousness than it would have been to dismiss the ridiculousness.
We don’t always agree. But I tell you, our kids never, ever see that.
Our boys — no joke, they were insane that night — cried and wailed and swore they were so, so sorry for their behavior and could we please, please stop for ice cream — all the way home from the beach. It was all we could do to not cry ourselves. Or laugh.
But we held firm (and one of the best things about situations like this while in the car is you don’t have to turn around and look at their whiny pathetic faces, right?!).
At home, both of us were exhausted out of all proportion to the actual event. (I repeat: The beach. Fun. Sunset. Pizza. Friends. But no ice cream. So yeah, disaster. Pffft), but we were proud of having not descended to their level, for taking our strangely heated exchange that few feet down the beach.
And the next evening, after a very nice day spent together? We got us some fro yo, yes we did!
How do you handle parental mismatches in discipline?
Jill
January 9, 2013 @ 3:05 pm
“We don’t always agree. But I tell you, our kids never, ever see that.”
And right there, that’s just one of those things that makes you awesome parents. My parents were like that too. (…and they too, were awesome…and I told them that a lot, which I am glad for now that they are gone.)
We here in the peanut gallery with no kids, who witness lousy parenting on a daily basis in public, salute you and parents like you.
Because as you said, “We got these boys, me and Mean Dad, and we have to turn them into good men.”
You never lose sight of that end goal, and, IMHO, that’s another thing that makes you two awesome parents.
It’s important…you are raising humans that will then go out into the world armed with those skills that you have taught them. I get why many parents take the easy way out…but the consequences are awful – for the kids and for the rest of us in the world! ;o)
I opted not to do the whole having kids thing, myself, and I am so, so, very impressed by those who take it seriously and do such a good job. I almost always will praise a parent I think is doing a great job with their kids in public…they deserve it, it’s hard.
And thanks for the “adult person you are raising your kids with” line – all kinds of families out there. ;o)
Kayris
January 9, 2013 @ 5:10 pm
Pretty much the same. If we do disagree, we try to discuss it away from the kids. He doesn’t always see the long range effects (if our son stays up late to watch football, he is horrible after school the next day because he is tired, but the H doesn’t see that because he’s at work then) and he tends to think I’m too harsh.
But we also agree that it’s ok to change your mind. Which is different for caving. Like if I have doled out a punishment when I was angry that maybe doesn’t fit the crime. I think it’s ok to occasionally say, “I’ve had a chance to think about it and I have changed my mind. But here are the guidelines.” In the ice cream example, I might have changed my mind if the kids could ask nicely and calmly and not act like it was the end of the world. Whining and crying? Deals off.
S_S
January 9, 2013 @ 5:15 pm
Unfortunately not all parents are aligned as you… my husband and I are pretty aligned on most of life challenges except this one… we are each hard/soft on various child related issues – such as I think its perfectly fine to have the kid take the bus home even if it takes a while and/or its hot/cold etc, my DH takes pity on him, my DH thinks the kid should listen and comply w/o arguing, I’m open to debate… we try to not disagree in front of our son, but I’m sure he knows we aren’t aligned all the time – but thats life too – no parents are perfect.
H_A
January 10, 2013 @ 7:13 am
thanks again for another useful and inspiring blog post!
Diana
January 10, 2013 @ 2:06 pm
My husband try to talk things out *before* they happen but kids always manage to surprise you.
Whenever one of us is too harsh or lenient, we let the other know *in private* so we can handle it differently next time.
The united front to the kids is maintained.
Though the biggest thing we do to help this along is to have nightly meetings just the two of us. We discuss anything out of the ordinary that happened that day and what is coming up the next day and try to stay on the same page. It doesn’t always happen but we are trying!
Donna G
January 10, 2013 @ 6:24 pm
I am a pediatric dental hygienist and I can’t even tell you the amount of whining and crying I see. I understand that going to the dentist can be scary but I show the kids everything and it is normally the parents that are the problem. I had one little girl who was about 5 years old at the time. She had her teeth cleaned at least 3 other times. When I went to the waiting room to get her, she cried and told me “NO, I am not having my teeth cleaned”. Mom told her either you go in or you will not go to dance tomorrow. Little girl was not going to have it. Mom cancelled the appointment and left. Following week the little girl is in my schedule. Not a peep out of her. I asked the mom what changed. She stated that she stuck by her previous statement and would not allow her daughter to return to dance till she got her teeth cleaned. The girl cried for hours and begged her mom to get her a new appointment. Mom was a single mom who had to get out of work for the dental appointments and had to pay for the 2 dance classes her daughter missed. Her daughter has never given me a hard time again. Mom was completely embarrassed by her behavior but handled it perfectly!
Andrea @ EC Simplified
January 15, 2013 @ 3:05 pm
I have a 2.5 year old and met my now fiance back in July. At the time, my then 2 year old was “good” in my eyes but out of control to my fiance’s. We have gone through the last 6 months working it out, and came to this exact conclusion: we have to maintain a unified front. Turns out I’m a closet disciplinarian. (Btw, your book got me out of the closet!! And so did my partner.) He’s got a military and police background…nuff said. I was so afraid the strict boundaries would cause my son to hate us, but quite the opposite: haven’t had but one tiny tantrum in 6 months. It’s just what he needs. He tests us daily. And now we duke it out in private after he’s asleep at night, or when he’s at his father’s house (what a non-disciplinarian HE is! Don’t get me started…just gave him your book tho so we shall see.). So far, it’s working. Thanks for the great post! xx Andrea
Steve
August 11, 2013 @ 11:13 pm
My hat’s off to the single woman you spoke of Donna! Good Job Ma’am!
I work with parents and their children with behavior problems. I believe parental unity is one of the most important reasons for success or failure in parenting.