It’s Okay Not to Share: A Q&A With Author Heather Shumaker
I have to say, when I read the title of Heather Shumaker’s new (and terrific!) book It’s Okay Not to Share…and Other Renegade Rules for Raising Competent and Compassionate Kids (Jeremy Tarcher/Penguin), I breathed a sigh of relief. Because to be honest, when my kids were very little, I couldn’t bear the sharing emphasis. Good heavens, two-year-olds are just not able to share! And then when they get older, they may know sharing is right, but still, they have to negotiate and figure out their own needs before they just hand over a toy because some adult told them to. Think about it: do you always share? (Be honest).
Shumaker’s book has, including the sharing-isn’t-necessary-all-the-time one, 29 “renegade rules” (though I wouldn’t call the rules so much as thought-provoking ideas) for raising kids with less preciousness, and more stick-to-it-iveness. I had to talk to her about the book, so here’s our conversation.
Oh, and after you read, please comment! In two weeks or so, I’ll pick one commenter at random and you’ll win a copy of the book. And if you don’t win, here’s where you go to buy it.
Heather, tell me a little bit about It’s OK Not to Share. Where did the idea come from? And why are your rules so “renegade”?
I actually started it when my 8-year-old was born. The idea of the book was begging to be written, so even though I didn’t have much time, I started doing basic research back then. The book’s ideas kept becoming more and more relevant to families today. Schools forgot about the importance of free play for young kids. Parents forgot what to limit and what to allow. People were getting stressed. So I knew the time was right.
This book is a product of my family. My mother’s been a preschool teacher for 40 years at an unorthodox preschool in Columbus, Ohio. They encourage kids to box and wrestle as part of the curriculum, and don’t insist that kids immediately ‘share’ their toys. You can see it’s pretty different from the typical classroom. I attended this school, the School for Young Children, and was hoping to find a truly play-based school like it when I became a mother. That’s when I realized how different their philosophy was. How renegade.
It’s renegade because for some reason parents today are scared of a lot of kid energy, high emotions, active physical energy, normal preschool aggression. There’s a lot of pressure and worry in the air about letting kids be kids.
Like I do, you have two boys. Do you think it’s more of an issue — this lack of permission for kids to be kids and to be rough and tumble — for boys?
I do, but the fact that I have 5- and 8-year-old boys is not the reason I wrote the book. Some readers tell me it’s more of a “boy” book because I have sons, but I started the book and outlined all its chapters really before they were born. Still It’s OK NOT to Share purposefully has a whole section on boys (or any high energy kid) because these kids are most at risk in our current schools, preschools and daycare classrooms. Their healthy, typical behavior is un-welcomed in our culture right now. The book gives tips to change that.
As I said in the introduction, you’ve got 29 “renegade rules,”and yet your title calls out “it’s okay not to share.” Now, obviously titles are meant to draw in readers, so it makes sense to choose something that’ll catch a buyer’s attention. Do you think that the “okay not to share” rule is the most controversial or gasp-inducing choice for a title, considering that parents today say “please share!” practically as a reflex, from the time their kids are babies?
Some people like the title, some people hate it, but everyone reacts. Usually I hear, “Ah, finally, someone who gets it!” Sharing is huge hot button topic. It’s universal. You’re right — parents insist a child shares as soon as she can walk, or even before. Once people realize how child-directed turn-taking works, they love it. It simplifies family life. The ideas in It’s OK Not to Share take parents out of the role of referee and helps kids learn to be truly generous.
Sharing is certainly one of the most controversial topics – along with hitting and kicking, toy weapons, rough play, social rejection, “no girls” signs, boys in dresses, etc.
I’m thinking that one problem that’s led to the “you must share!” and “no rough play!” rules is that parents are so much more involved in their children’s lives than, say, my parents were in mine. My parents were just happy I was outside playing with my friends; they had no idea what I was doing. Which makes me realize my friends and I were not always sharing, and working out conflicts, and all those other things you talk about in your book. Yet now, parents are intimately involved in their children’s relationships with other kids, they watch over them as they play… What’s the downside?
Being involved is one thing, interrupting and over-directing is another. As adults we tend to worry if a child plays “bomb the bad guys” or says “I don’t want to play with you.” We worry when our 5-year-old can’t read, doesn’t know the number 8 or doesn’t glue the clown’s hat on right. I’m not sure why, but our nation is on a worry path right now about typical, natural kid development.
Young kids learn best through unstructured play and discovery. They need plenty of time to explore their own ideas, try out first friendships and have imaginary adventures. Kids need to practice having problems and mastering their emotions. Those are really the most important learning experiences of early childhood. Good learning can’t happen when we over-structure kids’ days and direct how they play. Over-structuring comes from the family (think soccer, dance class, karate, etc.) and from schools (structured activities, short blocks of playtime). Directing play can mean choosing playmates (“Be nice and let Sarah play with you,”) choosing play topics (“That’s not a gun, that’s a magic wand,”) or quizzing kids in educational games (“How many blue ponies are there? One, two…”).
When we do that we steal their time. Precious time. Time they desperately need to be learning other things, life skills that give them a foundation for emotional competence, problem-solving, risk-taking, kindness and creativity throughout life. (See my blog post, Keep the PRE in Preschool).
You talk about how conflict between kids is one major way they learn. But conflict is one of those things that parents, and other adults who care for kids, seem to automatically want to smooth over, intervene in, or manage. I believe, and I’m sure you agree, that this is a well-meaning impulse, but is it too much? Explain briefly what you mean by the value of conflict between kids, too.
Kids don’t learn about peace by singing about it. Or by having others step in and solve their problems (or step in and prevent problems from happening). Kids learn about peace by having problems. By encountering conflict and learning what to do about it. This is a fundamental life skill. Learning how to be assertive, to state what you don’t like, to set limits on peers, to listen to peers, to solve problems respectfully. One of the best things we can do as parents is teaching our kids conflict-mediation skills. My book outlines 10 steps for conflict mediation.
You have chapter about kids and guns and the kind of imaginative play that, I think, children have done since the beginning of time (my dad speaks fondly of playing Cowboys and Indians as a kid in Brooklyn, and the kids I knew in my neighborhood all played games that involved shooting and pretend-killing). My kids have and love Nerf guns. I don’t have a problem with it, and yet I wonder sometimes if I should. The sensible part of my head knows that my children aren’t violent, knows that shooting suction-cup Nerf bullets so that they stick to the living room windows will not turn them into killers. Neither do I logically believe the fact that my older son sometimes uses his arm as a shotgun means he’s in danger of becoming a mass shooter or a gang banger. What do you see as the value of imaginary gun play?
This is hard-hitting right now. Our heads and hearts are understandably affected by stores of gun violence in the news. But children’s play is not creating violence. It’s doing the opposite. Weapon play games are one path towards moral development. Games deal with good guys and bad guys, good and evil, power and being a hero. Weapon play games are nearly always cooperative and imaginative. They’re social games involving other playmates, and it’s more important how kids treat each other in real life (are they laughing? Do they show concern if someone gets hurt?) than what the play theme is. I’ve written extensively on this topic – see these stories in the Huffington Post and New York Post. My book offers a list of graduated steps families can take to comfortably allow this kind of imaginative play.
Bullying is a pervasive problem in our culture, and the focus on trying to mitigate the problem is, to me, admirable. I think back to the bullies of my childhood, and how many bullied kids were hurt with no help, and I shudder. But I sometimes wonder if it’s going too far in the wrong direction. Calling someone a derogatory name or pushing them around in the hallways of school every day, targeting a child for a difference, real or perceived: that feels like bullying to me, and I think it’s smart to teach our kids to be sensitive and alert to it and learn ways to deal with it. But I’ve heard parents saying that a child who doesn’t invite another child to a party is a “bully.” To me, that’s just mean and poor manners, which is different. Is the word bully overused – almost as shorthand for saying “everyone has to be nice all the time”?
“Bully” is overused, which takes away from the serious issue of true bullying. What’s most important is to teach kids – including the bully, the victim and onlookers — is to stand up and stop behavior they don’t like. That is the basics of conflict mediation. Giving kids the chance to encounter each other, have problems, and learn to speak up and put a stop to what they don’t like. Assertiveness training begins as early as two. Kids aren’t automatically bullies if they do something wrong or even something mean. Childhood is about making lots of mistakes and learning social boundaries. It’s about learning to deal with negative emotions appropriately. Also, as adults, we often pounce on the child who seems to be the aggressive one, but often that kid is scared or worried about something, too.
Thanks, Heather! And readers, remember, leave a comment, share the post, get the conversation going — and you’ll be entered to win a copy of Heather’s book!
Jenny Martin
March 1, 2013 @ 3:09 pm
This is going on my want to read list!
Heather
March 1, 2013 @ 3:37 pm
Would love to have my own copy of your book! was sorry to miss you in Leland
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:23 am
Hope to see you at another Michigan event! I’ll be speaking at several places coming up.
Katie
March 1, 2013 @ 3:41 pm
I just posted this interview to my facebook page with the heading, “Man, this woman makes sense!” What a delight to see a book encouraging parents to trust their children and -back off-. What a delight to see a book discussing topics like the importance of loving roughhousing, the exploration of violent dramatic play to roleplay through tough ethical issues, and the importance of letting kids scrape their knees and learn from their mistakes (with loving guidance from us, of course). I’ve seen so much discussion around this book and I’m reading it as soon as I can!
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:39 am
Katie, thanks for your kind words! Sounds as if this book is right up your alley. Enjoy!
Kayris
March 1, 2013 @ 3:46 pm
I think part of the problem with insisting kids share everything is that it doesn’t teach them boundaries. My son had a friend over from school once and I was amazed at how he just opened up drawers to see what was in them, touched all my stuff, etc. My kids each have items that they do not have to share under any circumstances. Unless they choose to, of course.
I don’t like to share food. We went out to dinner last year for my dads birthday and when our food came, my sil reached across the table to sample my potatoes without asking. I nearly stabbed her with my fork. Get your own.
As for disagreements, I try to get mine to work it out on their own. If they come to me to smooth it out, chances are neither one will like the decision I make. For example, if they are fighting about what cartoon to watch and can’t work it out, I’ll usually just turn the tv off.
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:41 am
Kayris – Boundaries. Yes – hugely important. So many adults never learned to say ‘no.’ And not just about being on a committee… real life violence, too. Thanks for your comment.
Jeneen
March 1, 2013 @ 4:00 pm
This was a great read, my little one is not even 6 months old but it is so wonderful to see articles like this that reconfirm what I feel my parenting style will be like…it seems like people treat me like I’m horrible when I say I plan to let my kid have a childhood similar to mine.
Jacqueline
March 1, 2013 @ 4:55 pm
Sounds like a fascinating book! I found the title really interesting, because I’d just told my 1.5 year old that “Mama is using the computer and she’s not sharing” Then again, I’m also the parent you doesn’t care when other kids take toys away from mine, because I figure that turnabout is fair play.
Jessica
March 1, 2013 @ 5:12 pm
I totally agree with the thoughts expressed here. A mum of two boys, I’ve decided that unless someone is really upset, it’s hands off when it comes to conflict between the kids. They have to work it out. And they do! Good to read about the quizzing aspect, guilty of that I must admit but completely agree now its not a good idea. Thanks for the great ideas
Emma
March 2, 2013 @ 5:12 am
Fantastic. I think this is a great idea to get through to parents. We have always encouraged “sharing when you’re ready”, and always with the iday that it is only if you are comfortable that the person is going to be kind to your things. Kids need to learn that everyone has their own personal boundaries and it is quite alright for them to insist on their own being respected.
Mary B
March 2, 2013 @ 7:06 am
I love these ideas. I try to help my kids learn skills to help them in life and learning to stand up for yourself is a biggie. I wish they could have more unstructured play with other kids but all of their friends are so over scheduled. Can’t wait to read the book!
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:35 am
Mary, ah yes, so many kids are over scheduled at a young age it CAN be hard to find other kids to play.
Donna Marir
March 2, 2013 @ 8:05 am
Can’t wait to read this book!
Peggy
March 2, 2013 @ 9:47 am
My 3 year old son is a “high energy” kid, and often I am made to feel embarrassed about his behavior, when in reality I know he is quite normal. I CAN’T WAIT to read “It’s OK Not to Share” for this reason!
“…a whole section on boys (or any high energy kid) because these kids are most at risk in our current schools, preschools and daycare classrooms. Their healthy, typical behavior is un-welcomed in our culture right now. The book gives tips to change that.”
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:26 am
Peggy, you’ll find lots of good stuff for active kids here – a huge section on power, rough play, movement, etc. Enjoy your son!
Colleen
March 2, 2013 @ 10:17 am
I am the mom of three high-energy boys. I continue to find that their normal behavior is not OK in the preschool and elementary school setting as its currently constructed. I want them to have a love of school but sitting still for hours at a time with no physical play all-day is next to impossible for them I’ll definitely add this book to my reading list.
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:38 am
Hear, hear! It can really be tricky to find a place that understands active-kids. Best of luck finding a place that will let them truly feel respected and love learning.
KarenElissa
March 2, 2013 @ 12:41 pm
I’m not a mom, but a preschool teacher and this sounds like an interesting book, very much inline with my philosophy. I always struggle because while I don’t mind some organized chaos, many directors freak out about that kind of thing. It is such a fine line of allowing the kids to express themselves and explore their world and still keeping my job.
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:28 am
Wise words. It is indeed a fine line in the preschool world. Maybe the director needs a copy!
Melissa
March 2, 2013 @ 6:55 pm
This looks like such a great book – I can’t wait to read it!
JJ
March 3, 2013 @ 7:07 pm
Me, me! And I won’t share it!!! =)
angela
March 3, 2013 @ 8:24 pm
Am going to read this book! Thanks for sharing it. As the mom of a 3 year old who is testing all kinds of boundaries, I try to remind myself to just stand back sometimes and watch how she responds to her friends instead of immediately jumping in to “fix” a problem.
Jen in MN
March 3, 2013 @ 9:14 pm
Definitely looks up my alley! Great interview; can’t wait to read the book (hopefully from winning it!).
edj
March 3, 2013 @ 9:44 pm
Looks fantastic!
Lisa Adams
March 4, 2013 @ 3:23 am
I read this book in 2 days. I am a preschool teacher, and have been recommending this book to all of my patents. I just wish she had written it 12 years ago!
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 10:30 am
Lisa, thanks for your kind words! I just spoke to a childcare provider in Iowa who asked the parents in her group to write reports on it! Pretty funny.
Suzanne
March 4, 2013 @ 12:22 pm
Sounds like a great book! It’s going on my wish list for sure!
Debra Witt
March 4, 2013 @ 1:49 pm
I can’t wait to read this book and learn more about the other renegade rules. Funny how few adults have the instinct to redirect the child who covets what another child is playing with to find something else of interest. To me that’s helping kids learn independence.
Catherine
March 4, 2013 @ 1:51 pm
Thanks for this interview. I will definitely read this book. I have a 16-month-old son and I’m already worried about school for some of the reasons in this book. From what I read in the news and hear from other parents, elementary schools are becoming increasingly restrictive, over-zealous in punishing “negative” behavior, confining and just stifling. I think we have totally lost our minds regarding imaginary gun play. Just read this morning about a boy suspended for gnawing his pop tart into a gun shape at school. Insanity.
Heather Shumaker
March 4, 2013 @ 2:23 pm
Catherine, Oh my, the pop tart stories are just amazing — and happening all over. I echo your thoughts and applaud you for valuing your child and thinking ahead.
Rhyanne
March 5, 2013 @ 5:28 pm
Looking forward to reading this book! Speaking of school and high energy kids – I’m baffled by the discipline used in elementary schools – force little energetic kids to sit still for 7 hours straight, with little to no opportunity to move. At our school, recess begins in the last 30 minutes of the day (after kids have sat for 6.5 hours) and the kids who have misbehaved (meaning not sat still in their seats or talked out of turn) are required to take a time out from recess – the one thing that would probably make it easier for them to sit still!) No wonder kids are becoming overweight, stressed, and frustrated!!
Peter
March 6, 2013 @ 6:38 pm
Definitely sounds an interesting read.
I’m a Cub Scout leader over in England and one of the things I work on with our Cubs is that ability to deal with their peers.
If I get it right, then we have the ability to really encourage positive leadership behaviours in the Sixers. However, I don’t always guide them in the best way, and there’s so many other influences.
At least I can offer an environment that’s sufficiently different from the forced socialisation of school that the more active children can have the opportunity to shine.
In a gross generalisation based on my experiences, I find that our programme woks better for boys than girls, but we’re about one third female and for those girls who really need the opportunity to be away from the school expectations we can offer a brilliant level of support to help them grow to achieve their potential.
Heather
March 8, 2013 @ 2:07 am
This looks like a great read. Thanks for the interview and drawing my attebtion to it.
Alexandra
March 8, 2013 @ 9:58 am
This book sounds right up my alley! Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Kelly Kautz
March 8, 2013 @ 2:48 pm
Any book that gets Denise’s endorsement is definitely a must-read. Thanks!
Jennifer Fink
March 8, 2013 @ 2:58 pm
God bless Heather Schumaker and Denise Schipani for spreading these reasonable, real-life, common sense messages about raising kids today. And I wish my sons had a chance to go to the preschool taught by Ms. Schumaker’s mother! (Heck, I wish all kids had the chance to attend a preschool like that.)
Jill Stangl
March 8, 2013 @ 3:53 pm
I really like the discussion about bullying…can’t wait to read the book.
Kathy Cattell
March 9, 2013 @ 5:54 am
This looks like a great book. I’m still reading ‘Duct Tape Parenting’ but this one will probably be next on my list.
Carli
March 11, 2013 @ 12:31 am
This looks like a great book. Can’t wait to read it!
Denise Schipani
March 13, 2013 @ 11:08 am
In case anyone’s checking back on this thread to see if you won Heather’s book, I did the drawing today (via a website in which I plugged in all the commenters and allowed the wonders of the internet to do the random/fair thing for me). The winner is Jill Stangl. Jill, if you’re checking here, congrats. I’ll email you directly to get your info. Thanks to everyone who commented. Keep reading!
Denise
Kathy Browning
May 12, 2013 @ 3:48 pm
I loved mean moms rule and Heather’s book looks interesting too – hope to check it out soon. As the parent of a high energy girl (who is now 9), I get a little frustrated when we talk about “high energy” as a boys issue. My husband and I have always allowed our daughter plenty of outlets for rambunctious play (which is now morphing into a passion for track). When I hear parents talk about their “active” boys, it’s very much what we’ve experienced with our daughter. However, she does very well in more structured school environments and I think that she actually benefits from not having the “boys will be boys” excuse at times. She’s given plenty of time for free play to do as she pleases but has to settle down and learn at times. She prefers hands on learning and doesn’t like fiction and that’s all fine. She’s learning to maximize learning in the areas she loves (mostly science) and suck it up and do what’s necessary in others (fiction). Given what we now know from neuroscience about the lack of biological differences in the brain between the genders, I hope we will move beyond such gendered thinking. I think we may be selling boys short by suggesting they can’t be wild and crazy guys and succeed in a regular school environment.