A Glass of Wine for Grandma: Why Giving Babysitting Grandparents a List of Rules is Just… Wrong
Yesterday, I was reading my friend Lenore Skenazy’s blog, Free Range Kids. She posted about a “Dear Amy” advice column that appeared in the paper — the writer of the question, a grandmother, had an interesting problem: She and her husband have been babysitting their grandson, overnight, twice a week, since he was born (right away I’m thinking: give those grandparents a medal, right?!). At that time, their daughter presented them with some rules for caring for the baby, which included a provision that they not drink wine on those days/nights. Um, what?
I was totally, absolutely, and completely expecting Amy to say, “tell your daughter, with all due respect, that you’re in charge when her child is in your care, and that a glass of wine with dinner is not going to make you less able to be a good guardian.”
That’s not what Amy said. She was with the daughter in her zero-tolerance conviction that not a drop of alcohol should pass the grandparents’ lips. I mean, sure, don’t get falling-down drunk, but no wine with dinner? Really?
Lenore’s take is that a glass of wine does not turn responsible adults into raving lunatics who should be nowhere near young children (if so, as she points out, the whole nation of France must be bad parents).
I agree, and my further take is this: If you are asking your parents to care for your children, for free, out of the goodness of their hearts, you get what you pay for.
Harsh? Maybe; but it’s how I feel. I see too many parents who simply assume that their own parents live to care for the grandchildren — and will make all sorts of accommodations to do so: Quit their jobs or change their work schedules; drive miles and miles out of their way; childproof their homes; not go out with their own friends or away for the weekend without checking first if their services are needed, and so on.
And now, not drink any wine.
I feel as though if I hand the grandparents a booklet of rules and instructions, I should also hand them a paycheck. Plus, by setting down rules for my parents, part of what I’m doing is trying to shape their relationship with their grandchildren. I don’t want to do that. I want them to figure out how they get along and what they enjoy doing together, all on their own. That relationship is precious–because let’s face it, who knows how long they’ll have it available to them?
Just last weekend, my sons spent the night with my mom and dad while my husband and I spent a blessedly wonderful evening celebrating our anniversary with dinner, a show, and a hotel room in the city. I’m so gosh-darn grateful to have parents who (a) are alive and healthy; and (b) are willing to take my sons overnight, that I couldn’t imagine giving them instructions, beyond “please make sure they eat and sleep.”
When I was a kid, my sister and my two cousins and I would spend a few days every summer at our grandparents’ house. Neither my parents nor my aunt and uncle made demands or assumptions that I’m aware of; they were probably just glad we were out of their hair for a few days. We hung out in our grandfather’s cluttered garage, looking at all the weird things he collected. We slept, all four of us, cross-wise in our grandparents’ bed. We ate whatever they gave us, went wherever they took us. I can’t remember anything un-sanctioned by parents that we did, but rest assured: our folks had no idea what we were doing.
Which is just how it should be.
Alida
November 20, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
Denise,
You and I are so in sync right now. I left a comment yesterday on Lenore’s blog regarding the post you speak of. What got me was Amy’s advice that they could drink apple juice with dinner when the kids are there!! Apple Juice? Really? With dinner?
I don’t know about you, but I haven’t had apple juice for dinner since I was 5. I found it so disrespectful to the grandparents.
I know it may seem harsh and may have to do with personal issues in my own family right now, but I almost felt like because they are “grandparents” they were being treated just like the children.
In general, I think our society is so disrespectful to old folks. Once they are incapable of doing things for themselves we strip them of their dignity and place them in nursing homes where they are subjected to apple juice for dinner. (Again this is in regards to stuff going on in my family)
My parents, now in their 80’s watch our kids whenever they are in town. The rules or “riot act” as we call them are for the kids.
1. No running around screamming at the top of your lungs.
2. You do as grandma or grandpa say without arguing, even if it’s something we allow and they don’t.
3. Bedtime routine must be followed if we are not here, unless you are allowed otherwise by grandma and grandpa.
The only thing we tell our parents is you call the shots, don’t let them wear you out. Yes, they occasionally have wine with dinner, as do we…in front of our kids.
Denise
November 20, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
Alida, yes! “Let them drink apple juice!” If I told my parents to drink apple juice with their dinner they’d laugh their assess off. In fact, I BRING juice to their house for the boys because I do not expect them to buy it for them (though to be honest, they do stock some things the boys like).
I know a couple in my neighborhood, retired grandparents, who drive TO THE NEXT STATE to babysit their granddaughter for two days (they stay over). I guess if they’re willing and dying to see the kid, that’s fine — but it just seems so… presumptuous to me. I get that the daughter wants to/has to work, and maybe a babysitter or daycare would be prohibitively expensive, but really? To ask your parents to give up two days of their week, leave their home? I found out from another neighbor that they did it for year before it occurred to their daughter that it might be nice for her to at least reimburse them for gas and tolls, no small amount on the drive from Long Island to New Jersey!
The nerve!
Denise
Julia
November 7, 2016 @ 4:28 am
My daughters father has supervised visitation. His parents “the grandparents” are supervisors. Do you think it’s appropriate for the grandparents to drink a glass of wine with dinner as they all go and eat at a restaurant
Me
September 15, 2017 @ 9:27 pm
I think rules for many grandparents are necessary. While many of these posts must apply to the dream-world grandparents who can make good choices, many people need to leave them with rules otherwise they would take advantage of the situation or potentially be irresponsible. I don’t think there’s any reason to ask someone not to drink while babysitting. Do you want your daycare provider to have “just 1 glass of wine” ? If people can’t handle not drinking for a short time period while babysitting they are the one with the issue- not the parents who are asking for reasonable rules and care.
Elisa
November 20, 2009 @ 1:30 pm
As a daughter of alcoholics, I think there may be more to this story than the grandmother is admitting. My own mother would tell you that she likes to enjoy a “glass of wine with dinner” but the “glass” would be more accurately described as a jug of wine that has her slurring her speech and saying inappropriate things to my kids. Except for a very brief period when my parents got sober, I’ve never left them in charge of my children. And I’m sure my mother would tell you that I was controlling and unreasonable but I was not willing to risk my children’s emotional and physical safety with drunk grandparents. Sure, maybe the daughter in this scenario is a control-freak helicopter parent, but the grandmother’s defensiveness makes me suspect that the daughter has a very good reason for her request.
Denise
November 20, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
Elisa,
thank you for your comment. I thought of that, that the grandmother in the Dear Amy column had a problem with alcohol and that her daughter had a point in not wanting her parents to drink when they were with the kids. I acknowledge that children and family of alcoholics have a different, sensitive perspective on this issue.
But I chose to read it as is — and to assume that the daughter would not have had her parents sit if they were alcoholics.
All that aside, my main point was to say that assuming we already trust our parents to watch the kids, we should also trust them to care for them in their own way, not the way YOU think it should be done.
But again, I do understand and appreciate your perspective.
Denise
Alida
November 20, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
Elisa,
I wrote about my parents watching the kids and I made no mention of my MIL. While there is not a problem with alcohol, I never leave my kids with my MIL. She is an unfortunate soul. She lives in misery and would like nothing more for all to share it. (that’s as kindly as I can word it) So, instead of setting rules as to what she can/cannot say in front of the kids or what she can and cannot watch on T.V. while the kids are there…we just don’t have her watch them. I think that’s the issue. If there is something you think would harm your kids don’t leave them in that persons care.
kristen
November 20, 2009 @ 2:05 pm
I’m a bit torn. In theory, I agree 100% with what you are saying Denise. Because the truth is, you are not talking about a glass of wine. You’re talking about a bigger issue, one of trust and respect. And I absolutely agree with all of that. But I do think sometimes there’s more to it than what we know. Not every caregiver (parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, family friend) is worthy of that trust. Maybe this mom is over-reacting, but maybe there’s something else going on that wasn’t a part of the Dear Amy letter from grandma.
Admittedly, the subject of drinking and caring for kids hits a little close to my heart these days. I love a glass of wine. A cocktail now and again. And I have never thought twice about enjoying a drink with dinner while caring for my son–or forbidding anyone else to do the same. But a friend recently lost her three young daughters in a car accident. They were in the care of their aunt. Someone they trusted. She was drinking and driving.
I think sometimes these things are not so black and white. I know I think twice now. And very often, yes, I say no to that glass of wine. Even if I want it. My perspective has changed. In this case, I find myself asking, “Could there be more to this story that I’m not aware of? Something the grandparents may have done in the past to give this mom pause?”
Like I said, I’m torn.
Elisa
November 20, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
I agree about things not being black and white. Between the extremes of the full-blown alcoholic who cannot be trusted at all (in which case the letter-writer should not be asking her to babysit) and the responsible grandma who drinks a single glass of wine with dinner (in which case the daughter is perhaps a presumptuous control freak) is a whole range of behavior. I think there is probably more to the story than the grandmother wants to acknowledge, and some valid reason why the daughter is asking her mother not to drink. The fact that the grandmother is so protective of her daily wine habit raises red flags for me.
BTW I like a glass of wine or two on a weekend night, but when my kids were young, I never drank alcohol in front of them (not saying that is necessarily the way to go, but family history made me careful). And now that they are teens, I will have a glass of wine during dinner with them (and they are allowed to have a sip but they don’t want it), but never, ever, a million times never, would I drink even a sip of wine if there was the slightest chance that I would need to drive them anywhere afterward. I think that is a valid reason to ask a caregiver not to drink.
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November 20, 2009 @ 4:11 pm
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Karen Maezen Miller
November 20, 2009 @ 5:11 pm
My mother and father are both deceased and while alive, lived 2,000 miles from me. If my parents could babysit my daughter even for a hour, even with all their idiosyncrasies and bad habits, I’d be so happy I wouldn’t leave the house.
Jen
November 21, 2009 @ 1:43 am
Denise, I so agree with you. I’m not much of a drinker, and neither is my mom. But I know she enjoys a glass of beer after spending time outdoors–especially in warm weather. So when every 6-weeks she takes a 2-hour ferry trip, followed by a 2-hour drive through 3 more states, just to visit her granddaughter for a couple of days (and play with her and dote on her all day and all evening, without pause), I try to chill some nice beer for her.
My only request of my mom is that she try to remember to bring her cellphone charger so that she can keep her cellphone on when she and my daughter are off somewhere together.
Alida
November 21, 2009 @ 2:25 am
This is where I apologize profusely. To Elisa, after reading my comment it sounded harsh. Please know it was in no way directed to you or your experiences. To Denise, it was so presumptuous of me to direct my response to one your readers. I apologize. I get so passionate about things and speak out when perhaps I shouldn’t. It’s lesson I’ve been trying to learn for years, but this one is particularly hard for me.
Elisa
November 21, 2009 @ 11:00 am
No need to apologize! I didn’t find your comment to be harsh at all, and I agree 100% about not leaving children with a person who cannot be trusted. That was the position I took with my own parents. I think the bottom line is that those of us with family histories of substance abuse are going to read that “Dear Amy” letter from that perspective.
Christina
November 21, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
When I would complain to my mother about how my husband did things differently with our children than I did she would always reassure me that I survived my own father and that fathers ways of doing things are important to a child. I think that this theory carries over to extended families. Would you want everyone who is around your child to be exactly like you? Granted there are ground rules that are important that you can convey to those who care for your children, but the micromanaging of family who is offering to watch your children out of the love they have and desire to know them is unneccessary. As hard as it may be to admit, we cannot offer our children everything that they need. That is where fathers, grandparents, aunts, and uncles can give them a diversity of experiences that will enrich the little sponges that they are. I would not want a my children’s realtionship with their grandparents be robbed because my controlling micromanagment got in the way.
6512 and growing
November 21, 2009 @ 11:37 pm
My parents are rather saintly as grandparents, simply meaning: they adore my children and want to spend oodles of time with them. Sometimes that means my kids watch more movies and have more sugary snacks in their care (and yes my parents drink wine when caring for my kids, as do I!). I did put my foot down on the Ben and Jerry’s chocolate something or other when my daughter was 11 months, but now, with the kids being 4 and 2, I just get out of the way and give thanks.
class factotum
November 22, 2009 @ 12:51 pm
A couple of things.
1. My husband’s parents are mean drunks and mean sobers. So even if we did have kids, I wouldn’t leave them with the grandparents. My mom is nice with a glass of wine or without.
2. A friend gets mad that her mother will not babysit on demand. She refuses to leave her son with anybody else. So they don’t go out. My silent thought is, “Your mom raised her own kids. You raise yours. Good grief.”
3. our society is so disrespectful to old folks. Once they are incapable of doing things for themselves we strip them of their dignity and place them in nursing homes where they are subjected to apple juice for dinner. When I am 70, I am going to start smoking. I will make sure I live in an old folks’ home that allows smoking, darnit. If you can’t smoke when you are old, when can you?
class factotum
November 22, 2009 @ 12:56 pm
I mean I wouldn’t leave our non-existent kids with my husband’s parents. I would leave them with my mom in a second, even though she is now of the “of course you can have cookies before supper!” school, which she never was with us but is with the neighbor kids for whom she is substitute grandma.
TheKitchenWitch
November 22, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
Oh my gosh! I just stumbled upon your blog today and saw this post–I was FURIOUS when I read Amy’s response in our paper and I’m so glad someone had the courage to address it!
Totally ridiculous. If you are dumping your kids off on grandma and grandpa, let them have their wine with dinner. Is this lady a Stepford wife of something?
I mean, I am assuming (and maybe I’m wrong here) that if they were drunkards, the daughter wouldn’t even think of leaving her kids with them, right? To do so would be irresponsibility of the first water.
So if they like their wine, in limits, who cares? Jeez! If she has such a problem with it, I suggest she open her wallet and shell out for a babysitter.
ARGH….sorry. I was just so mad when I read that piece
Love your blog, btw!
Nicole
November 24, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
I’ll have to go check out those posts but totally agree. If you feel your kids are in safe and loving hands, and you are getting free babysitting there really should not be any rules. Our marriage counselor actually had to explain that to my husband If you feel they need rules to be safe (ie alcohol) they probably should not be there, although completely understand sometimes you don’t have much choice. There is a lot of alcoholism and mental health issues on my husbands side so I do understand.
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Denise
November 24, 2009 @ 1:58 pm
thanks for your response, Nicole!
best,
Denise